The Poesche Brand Group/Design Group has little or nothing to do with the history of the marque\'s automotive design standards. It\'s a hustle akin to selling the Ferrari name to brand laptops in Asia.
19th July, 2011 @ 7:24 a.m. (California Time)
Yes. It shows you good technologists can also be idiots. I\'m always was a Porche fan, but now I have my doubts.
19th July, 2011 @ 8:38 a.m. (California Time)
I clicked on the link to the article looking to read a thoughtful review/preview of a cool looking hookah that breaks with traditional design and instead found a long op-ed piece the horrors of shisha smoking and only two short paragraphs dedicated to the actual product. It was well written but it does not belong on this site and seems better suited for a personal blog or a social issues site like AlterNet. It would be like writing a review on a new gun or weapon (as you guys often do) and only focusing on how many innocent people are killed and murdered by guns every year.
19th July, 2011 @ 8:51 a.m. (California Time)
I would like to concur with Underdog here. This long and extremely one-sided op-ed piece on the horrors of smoking shisha does belong on a site like Gizmag. If one must speak on the alleged travesty that is indulging in nicotine-based narcotics, please take it your personal blog and leave us with the facts on the technology that you claim to present.
19th July, 2011 @ 9:50 a.m. (California Time)
@Mike Hanlon: People smoke, get over it.
Is it nasty and bad for people, sure but so is a lot of things. In fact it could be argued reading Gizmag is bad for us and that we would be doing better being outside or maybe just reading something else. In fact lets make a deal.I now call "Strike 1" for Gizmag and I urge others to do the same since I think we all agree we come here for "random" tech/gizmo news not some bla. bla. bla.
19th July, 2011 @ 10:30 a.m. (California Time)
Oh please, stop with the editorializing. I come to see cool stuff whether it is socially acceptable to you people or not. Get off the soap box.
19th July, 2011 @ 1:16 p.m. (California Time)
totally agree with UnderDog...
\"I clicked on the link to the article looking to read a thoughtful review/preview of a cool looking hookah that breaks with traditional design and instead found a long op-ed piece the horrors of shisha smoking and only two short paragraphs dedicated to the actual product. It was well written but it does not belong on this site and seems better suited for a personal blog or a social issues site like AlterNet. It would be like writing a review on a new gun or weapon (as you guys often do) and only focusing on how many innocent people are killed and murdered by guns every year.\"\"....... Shame on you Gizmag for letting a bafoon write this article, then publish it.
19th July, 2011 @ 6:17 p.m. (California Time)
This is an opinion piece, clearly titled as such, so those of you who are so incensed by the commentary should have averted your eyes when you read the title. Has the publication of this article somehow restricted the space available for \"worthwhile\" content on Gizmag? I think not.
That said, it would have been helpful to have seen more technical information about Porsche Design\'s hookah in the article. Does it improve the smoking experience? Are there any design elements that make it superior to traditional hookahs? Is it simpler or \"green\"? Is this a design triumph or just novel styling?
19th July, 2011 @ 6:22 p.m. (California Time)
Probably the same reason they build 200 mph cars for the street-
because some people have a different take on risk!
19th July, 2011 @ 6:26 p.m. (California Time)
Porsche is a luxury brand. The Hookah fits in well with it\'s image. You\'re connection of Porsche to safety is not well grounded. The 911 model is a 5-decade old icon and still has it\'s engine behind the near axle. This is a distinctly UNSAFE position; it is also quite unique to this car.
You did not cite any evidence of ACTUAL damage caused by the hookah. I\'m not suggesting there isn\'t any, I\'m suggesting that it is essential that you provide evidence of ACTUAL damage, not potential. This is how you should demonstrate that \"Shisha smoking is very detrimental to your health.\"
This was a poorly thought-out article.
19th July, 2011 @ 7:58 p.m. (California Time)
WOW! Well you got your head handed to you on that one Mike!
I guess there\'s quite a lot of smoker who like Porsche products, or quite a lot of gizmag readers who suck the weed.
If it\'s any consolation, as someone who father gave himself cancer by his nicotine addiction, I agree with what you said.
As for the rest of you, enjoy your stinking habit and remember your choices while your leathery lungs are desperately drawing oxygen from a mask.
19th July, 2011 @ 9:02 p.m. (California Time)
Wow, Underdog was correct in his take of the article. Yes this is a tobacco product, and some don\'t fully connect hookah\'s with this, but that isn\'t the purpose of this website. Though I do appreciate some of the concern, Gizmag is supposed to look at new technology from the technological point of view. I\'ve never seen this view pushed forward so much when analyzing new military equipment. I doubt this kind of writing would ever be pushed forward when analyzing a weapon on this website. If there was no purpose to the new product then that needs to be said in the article, but I can\'t accept a simple anti-this article.
20th July, 2011 @ 5:33 a.m. (California Time)
I\'d rather debate the fact that Porsche has designed something that looks more like a weedkiller sprayer - which is probably not quite as unhealthy as a shisha pipe!
And as for Porsche having \"the deepest concern and respect for the safety of its customers\", that didn\'t seem the case this morning when I crashed my 911 Turbo into a tree whilst trying to light my 908 Pipe with my PD5 lighter ;-)
20th July, 2011 @ 6:58 a.m. (California Time)
As I see it, Mike has very good reasons to publish his Opinion under Health and Wellbeing. While everyone knows that people are killed by weapons and in car accidents, the risks of Hookah Pipe smoking are quite unknown. Presenting a new product and research results like this is very valuable for most readers. I am sure that the Porsche brand is hurt by being associated with harmful tobacco products.
20th July, 2011 @ 7:14 a.m. (California Time)
Those companies that do anything, that is found to be bad for people only care about \"cur-ching\" i.e. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Just riding the new wave....
Thoughtfully or Thoughtless?
20th July, 2011 @ 9:39 a.m. (California Time)
Smokers have fire at one end of the tobacco and an idiot at the other
20th July, 2011 @ 9:57 a.m. (California Time)
Thank you Mr. Hanlon for this article. I really didn\'t know anything about water pipes before; I certainly do now.
For those complaining about the \"one-sided\" article - there is only one side to the story... the facts, which Mr. Hanlon cited. He clearly cited scientific facts regarding this practice being more injurious than cigarettes, and the health damage caused by cigarettes is a scientific fact beyond question.
In a similar situation to yrag, I took care of my father in his final months as he died from lung cancer from cigarette smoking. It\'s a shame that Porche is attempting to add a \"coolness\" factor to this health risk by attaching their name/design to lighters, pipes and now water pipes. Can the company really need the money that bad? The story of parents introducing their children to smoking was similarly repulsive.
20th July, 2011 @ 10:20 a.m. (California Time)
This article is totally inappropriate for the website. I refer everyone I know and meet to this website due to the great random emerging technology discussed.
This article didn\'t change my opinion of Porsche, the same company that\'s so concerned with the safety of its customers they build 200 mph cars, but it did change my opinion of Gizmag.
Please, please, please don\'t ruin this website with more of these kinds of articles. I\'ve really enjoyed Gizmag so far.
20th July, 2011 @ 11:01 a.m. (California Time)
I could have really appreciated an in depth analysis of the primary differences highlighted by the Porsche pipe as compare to the more common non-Porsche pipe. Why would I spend the extra $$$ for a Porsche? Especially if the girls aren\'t going to see me driving it.
Please, let me join with in saying: \"No more crappy, non-tech articles.\" I was really disappointed .
20th July, 2011 @ 12:22 p.m. (California Time)
I\'d like to buy one! I smoke \"non-tobacco products\" daily and using a water pipe is much healthier than other methods!
20th July, 2011 @ 12:30 p.m. (California Time)
So, in terms of shear performance, how does the Porsche stack up to all the other pipes that have been around for centuries?
Tobacco? Big business? Editorialize?
I\'ve read the articles. They\'re growing me replacement organs and the fantastic cures and scientific breakthroughs, that we\'ll never hear about again, just keep coming.
Hey, I have an idea...Let\'s just stick to articles about technology.
People in all societies the world \'round do \'weird\' stuff. I hate \'them.\'
Don\'t get me started.
20th July, 2011 @ 12:51 p.m. (California Time)
Which is more likely to end badly...driving a Porsche or smoking a Porsche?
20th July, 2011 @ 12:56 p.m. (California Time)
People are angry over this article for the same reason that there has been very little to no research on the hookah/shisha, which is due to ignorance and apathy of non Western cultures and their habits. The idea that shishas are bad are based on a idiotic and ignorant deduction that smoking time (amount of puffs) determines the health risks. To be sure, shishas arent great for you, but they employ a completely different mechanism of smoke by not just filteing it at the bottom but baking it at the top. You do not smoke tobacco in shisha, you inhale its vapors, which are mostly glycerin and flavor. Furthermore, shisha tobacco is usually washed and untampered, which means is has less then 0.5 percent nicotine. And even that trace amount of nicotine is not taken into the system, because nicotine is vaporised at 300 something degrees (like in the direct burn of a cigarette) but shisha never bakes beyond 300. (For exact numbers, look it up).
Furthermore there is no reason that Porsche should not make a shisha, it has a great market considering how many Porsche owners are of Middle Eastern descent. Your article, like you is full of ignorant and latently racist blather. It and you should be removed from this site.
20th July, 2011 @ 1 p.m. (California Time)
You can smoke tobacco in those too? Hadn\'t dawned on me. I certainly prefer to use it in my American Muscle Car though. Unfortunately, with the demise of Pontiac, we will never get the GTOBong 6.6L water pipe.
20th July, 2011 @ 5:54 p.m. (California Time)
@Hanisha Shewakramani, long stretch to racism, \"bad are based on a idiotic and ignorant deduction\" would seem to be an idiotic and ignorant deduction, plenty of proof if you actually look.
20th July, 2011 @ 6:09 p.m. (California Time)
\"This is an opinion piece, clearly titled as such, so those of you who are so incensed by the commentary should have averted your eyes when you read the title.\"
They changed the title after I submitted my comment, before it was something like \"Porsche designs a hookah pipe\".
21st July, 2011 @ 7:08 a.m. (California Time)
All I can say is that this article has brought to my attention a very cool water pipe. Id love to get one of them!
21st July, 2011 @ 4:12 p.m. (California Time)
Wow, you certainly pissed people off with that one! Did you forget that big tobacco has been pushing \'smokers rights\' for years, urging smokers to scream like cut pigs if their sacred rights are threatened? Besides, most of these replies likely emanated from the Phillip Morris offices. The balanced view (I.e.: Mine) is that you failed to provide enough detail about the product in question or discuss what seems to be a fairly pedestrian piece of modern design (unlike that pipe...wow!), and spent too long on the dangers without considering how the Hookah modifies smoke.
I hafta admit I found the \'quantity of smoke\' part fascinating, but then I\'m a geek, however it was clearly a mistake to invite a particular type of comment (specifically: how bad this makes Porsche look). People, especially those who feel their opinions merit publication, will always reject that. You should rather have focussed, briefly, on how \'big tobacco\' is bullying designers, that woulda produced a very different reaction.
In the end, while I thoroughly agree with your choice of windmill, your Quixotic efforts were too narrowly directed. But then let\'s not go nuts, the article was slightly off target, that\'s all, those demanding heads are probably doing so on company time... And the company name probably rhymes with that of the great Indo-Russian chess player, Dilip Boris.
P.S: comments look way less erudite when \'speling and gramer\' are all over the shop... Im not saying perfection is required, but sheesh! What is happening to English on the electric internets??!!
21st July, 2011 @ 9:33 p.m. (California Time)
I think that you should stop driving your car or using a bus or planes and not flush your toilet and make sure you always recycle and not buy anything wrapped in plastic, and when was the last time you went to a burger joint or drank a pop ... and the list goes on before you complain how hookah is DANGEROUS. I would rather meet a clam collected smoker than someone that complains about everything to the point where they drive everyone around them insane. AND Hookah smoking if done right many health risks can be minimized. I hate cigarettes but I do not go whining about it.
22nd July, 2011 @ 7:38 a.m. (California Time)
Reading the comments it seemed to me that the whole point was missed. I really cannot see what is gained in arguing the merits of the product per se. If it is legal in the country sold, Porche certainly has the right to design and manufacture a device for smoking.
But the big deal and something that a technology site does have an interest in, is the commercial logic in a company undertaking certain projects. Environmental products get a great deal of comment on on Gizmag even if they are just concepts, especially if the company is famous. Sometimes the concepts are ridiculous and will never see the light of day but especially if they profess to create a reduced carbon footprint, they will be reported. Mostly they have no effect on the brand, one way or the other and announcements that won\'t go anywhere still could be considered advertising for the brand, be it Toyota or whatever.
I think the design of a pipe by Porche was newsworthy simply because Porche went ahead with such a project. If memory serves me less than 20% of the western world smokes and smoking now has a very negative connotation, with a great number of people, especially ex-smokers reacting very negatively to smoking products in general. So you\'ve got to ask, what got into Porche in creating a product that is very likely to damage its brand substantially, depending on the level of publicity the product actually receives. It matters not one whit whether it is a better product. What corporation would create a product that has the potential to damage their worldwide image? All I can think of is perhaps the executives that OK\'d this product were smoking the very consumable this product can be used for.
While some brands have lent their name to many products and remained strong, others have greatly devalued their brands by allowing them to be used for products not fitting with their image. Porche seems to have gone rather mad in this case.
25th July, 2011 @ 5:08 a.m. (California Time)
Why would Porche design a hookah? It\'s obvious! They assume their demographic MUST be high to spend that much on a car. Duh!
2nd August, 2011 @ 11:25 a.m. (California Time)
Well this Op-ed piece got me to post for the first time on Gizmag ever. While I do appreciate the authors zeal in stating an opinion on something they seem very passionate about I do not think this is the right forum or website for this type of thing.
I am not a tobacco smoker but I am a very avid in fighting this notion that people need to be protected from harming themselves. What makes us human and free (If you are free where you are reading this) is the choice to do something even if there is an inherit risk to ourselves.
If this is not the case and we need to do everything we can to minimize any danger or risk not only would we not be able to smoke tobacco or anything else from a hooka :) we should get Nerf on the phone and have them build everything out of it and lets get every fastfood chain to only serve Tofu and wheat grass shots.
Just worry about the technology and I will worry about myself and whether and how I want to use it.
2nd August, 2011 @ 12:41 p.m. (California Time)
Ok think about this - go and buy a weeks worth of fuel for your car - put in a steel container in your garden and set it alight.
Then go and sit down wind and inhale all crap that you dump into the atmosphere for other people to breath.
When all the fuel is finished burning, and you have sniffed it all up. Go and find a smoker and say to him
\"You are bad -I am a hero\"
The word hypocrite does come to mind when some one complains about a few puffs of tobacco and then jumps in his SUV and races off billowing thousands more liters of far more toxic gasses into the air, the question I have is...
Are you all with it? Are awake, are you thinking? or are you just complaining because you don\'t smoke or do you actually smoke? - you just dump it behind you out of your exhaust so think you don\'t - but you actually do - so leave the smokers alone - walk or cycle to work, then you can say some thing, you probably blow more smoke into the atmosphere than any smoker ever will, but you justified in telling every one else off - because you are perfect, not so?
5th August, 2011 @ 6:41 a.m. (California Time)
As a former seller of tobacco products I found the article lacking of \'tech\' detail. People should also realize there is a HUGE difference between the American cigarette and pure tobacco. It\'s like comparing Coca-Cola vs. Water. Coca-Cola is over 98% water but isn\'t the same as bottled water. American cigarettes have approximately 600 added chemicals (look it up). Many are to aid the absorption of nicotine and increase shelf life. Cuban cigarettes are the \'shakes\' or leftovers of cigar production and there is very little if any additives.
22nd August, 2011 @ 5:46 p.m. (California Time)
Okay I feel that it is necessary to share this study I found. I (and the researchers) agree that by no means is it a safe, healthy or risk free activity. But it is far less harmful than it is being made out to be. Also compared to cigarettes it is nowhere close as far as risk. http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19
Sorry it is a bit of reading but if you are interested in the FACTS and the TRUTH there you are.
8th December, 2012 @ 7:13 a.m. (California Time)
My brother smokes a pipe so I have been looking for something related to give to him for Christmas. I didn't know that Porche designed a hookah. I will definitely have to look more into this, thanks so much for sharing.
18th November, 2013 @ 8:15 a.m. (California Time)