I can't wait 10 years. Get more government money in this. In 10 years Diesel will cost £15 a litre and I'll have left my job to join the unemployed as it won't be worth working.
I'll bet they start loosing capacity faster as dirt clogs the air channels.
Recharging these batteries could bring dangers. Any significant increased concentration of oxygen in the atmosphere (e.g. in the vicinity of a charging battery) can create a local inflammability issue where spontaneous combustion can occur. Hence one of the major challenges in this research is likely to be finding a safe way to recharge the batteries.
Ah you gotta give it to them, that pure class. I can wait 10 years for this, easy. For a company with a shady history like IBM's they sure are coming through for us with this one!
one has to love these time estimates. A lot can happen in 10 years. XKCD seems to nail it fine here:
And why not super eficiented Volt/Ampera-like cars, lighter and more aerodynamics ?
Except if on that time (2030 ?) the lithium oxygen batteries are very very much cheap light robust safe sustainable etc...
Why is it that Tesla has two vehicles (a 2 door roadster and a 4 door luxury vehicle) with an SUV on the way which ALL get over 200 miles on a charge and everyone else has a hard time breaking 100??? What is it that they're doing right and no one else is copying? 500 miles would be great, but 200 to 250 is already feasible and being actively used. Why isn't everyone doing it?
Cold Fusion will displace most if not all of these technologies in the next 18 to 36 months.
I'll be an old man (or dead) by the time I see one in a car.
The one challenge not being met with any EV is a practical recharge time. I can "recharge" my gasoline vehicle in five minutes and get back on the road for a long trip. A 500 mile range means I have to stop overnight (assuming I'm allowed to recharge my EV where I stop), or for at least 2-4 hours, before resuming my trip. I'd bet you can forget the economy of electric once establishments install rapid recharge systems and hit you with the recharge fee. A good serial hybrid will be much more practical, allowing recharge as you travel, and high mileage. Maybe in the distant future we'll see electric highways, with power supplied by induction, so the vehicle batteries will only need to be used for short distances, but we're a long way from that.
A lot of effort goes into making cars and vehicles run on alternative fuels. Very little is done to address the real issue. 'DECAR' every society. No one needs a car, most of us buy it because we have become too lazy to walk, or in the case of developing countries, the public transport is downright lousy and unusable.
and DECAR ing a society begins in every citizen's mind !
Ok, I failed English in High school But If I Remember correctly "Inflammable" means "won't burn" and Flammable means "will burn". I use a device to remember these; Flame-able, as in able to flame, and in-flame able is the opposite of being able to flame. Like Combustible and NON-Combustible the combust-ible or think able as in "Able to combust" Just being a prick, but get it right, or I might blow up.
As long as car makers keep the ICE platform, range will be much shorter than it need be. Whatever power source is used, the new paradigm should be: 1. About one third to half the usual curb weight. 2. Drag under .20. Proof? Tesla is getting good results by going in this direction. Aptera proved a practical two seat car with drag of .15 and under 1.5K lbs would be more efficient than any production model now built. And designers have shown us it can be exotic and still beautiful and or exciting.
These two simple overlooked principles are so powerful that it mystifies me as to why all the major car makers are ignoring them.
re; Atul Malhotra
I would not mind people who want to live little ant lives in an ant hill society if they did not insist on trying to destroy my society to build theirs.
Half the curb weight? After you load the heavy low density energy storage system into it. And jut to add insult to injury it does not get lighter as you use the energy.
You would have to loose the four wheel format as well.
Without a quantum leap in electrical storage or broadcast power electric cars are a bad idea.
De-car? No-one needs a car? Thats just naive. I do need a car, because I need to travel 30km to work every day. I also need to get into remote areas with large amounts of equipment. Its also my livelyhood. I need a car, but I also want a car. They are the ultimate personal tool of freedom, they are fun, they are interesting and compelling. To Decar would also be so backwards to every economy on earth it's not funny. How would grocers restock if trucks and vans couldn't get to them? It would send us back to the dark ages. Theres a reason, why we have the enlightened, technological society we have -because we can transport raw resources, goods and services from anywhere on Earth right to your door. And automobiles of all kinds help enable this.
You're exactly right. Although I would love lighter batteries for performance and handling reasons, any rechargeable battery manufacturers primary goal should be speeding up the charging process. This is the ONLY way to truly level the playing field with ICEVs. Toshiba and Altair Nano seem to be on the right track with their Lithium Titanate technology. I'd be interested to see if that technology could be leveraged with Lithium Air batteries.
Bottom line, I would rather go 100 miles and recharge in 5 minutes, than 500 miles and recharge in 5 hours.
Google inflammable definition
Easily set on fire.
Likely to provoke strong feelings: "an inflammable issue".
flammable - combustible - excitable
They use to write Inflammable on gasoline trucks but stopped because so many people did not know inflammable means hyper-flammable.
Thorium powered cars make more sense and would NEVER need fuel. They could be up and runing experimentally in just a few years. Yes it's radioactive but is easily shielded with just aluminum foil. You could store the stuff in your basement without any problems. http://www.geekosystem.com/thorium-powered-car/
This is a really cool idea, I want a car with a lithium air battery, it'll be lighter and if it holds a good charge, who knows how fast the car supplied with it could go. great idea!
Trolla, you don't need a car you have placed yourself in a situation that the only solution you see is a car. Is that 30 km one way or round trip? I used to have a commute that was 25 km each way that I made by bicycle. At first it was hella hard, but after 6 months my body adapted, my health started to get better, and I had a number of other beneficial "side effects" (the ladies loved my body). As for grocery stores and other establishments getting supplies, trains to local depots offload to compact electric or human powered cargo vehicles for delivery to the door (I participated in a demonstration program that had cargo trikes moving 500Kg by human power alone on mostly level ground, with electric assist we could move 700Kg on mostly hilly terrain, in vehicles that had less impact on the roads than a Smart car).
It can be done, and will increase total employment (and consumer costs, a little).