Strictly speaking Tesla model X (which should be available by the time new Volco XC90 hits dealerships) is the cleanest and the most powerful SUV / Crossover:
It will have 2 electric motors - delivering 310 kW (416 hp) of power and 600 Nm (443 ft lb) of torque EACH!
Volvo XC90 will be delivering a pathetic 40km electric range - Tesla model X will be delivering 480 km pure electric range and access to US, Europe and China expanding network of supercharges.
Purchase price wise - Tesla model X will probably be comparable to XC90, but of course being electric - maintenance costs and "fuelling" costs are negligible.
Volvo better start innovating because this car this obsolete before it starts shipping from the factory.
10th July, 2014 @ 5:16 a.m. (California Time)
yes but the tesla has only 100 super charger stations nation wide, and the superchargers still only charger your car at 40 miles of highway speed per 10 minutes of charge so the result is that you cannot profiteably purchase enough real estate to build 1000 more super charger stations without tesla BEGGING parking companies to DONATE their real estate.
begging for free parking space is not a sustainable method of building a recharging network.
there are 160,000 gasoline stations in america and most are operated independently and make profit based on a simple business model.
tesla super charging stations will remain few in number and you will have to enjoy your clean horsepower within driving range of your house, or near a maximum 12kw kilowatt charging station you use to trickly a few more miles of charge into your car while you are away from home.
tesla has an army of paid posters and commenters that are run by goldman sachs and wall street to plaster good news about tesla all over the internet for years.
once the supercharger network doesn't get built into 1000's of super charger stations, people will realize the 'growth rates' are over and a 30 billion dollar market cap company will lose much of its value leaving a bunch of suckers in the dust while the bankers laugh.
the future of electric transportation , the real future with TENS OF MILLIONS OF VEHICLES belongs to light electric four wheel vehicles and electric 2 and 3 wheel vehicles. not to heavy electric cars with massive batteries.
there will not be tens of millions of tesla and chevy volt and ford fusion on the road ever because NONE OF THESE CARS ARE PROFITEABLE TO SELL. even tesla loses money without carbon credits and zero interest rate loans.
10th July, 2014 @ 9:47 a.m. (California Time)
If they had the technology to charge an electric car in 3 minutes and provide a range of 500 miles or more, the Tesla would be a winner. The market would buy into it without subsidies or other gimmicks. Zevulon has pointed out these drawbacks, and I think the T8 will be the real winner for those of us who live in the real world.
10th July, 2014 @ 2:55 p.m. (California Time)
Is this a joke whats up with all these car company's putting out electric trash 25 miles really? That's like 12 miles one way i can ride my bicycle with the kids in a cart and save time for that distance
I'm sorry to me if it cant go 300 miles its a waste of my money!!!
10th July, 2014 @ 7:02 p.m. (California Time)
Unfortunately, great though the Tesla looks on paper, it still needs a much larger system of recharge stations before it can cover most long-distance trips with the ease of an IC car of like size and passenger capacity.
Physics cannot lie.
10th July, 2014 @ 7:34 p.m. (California Time)
@zevulon I don't drive a Tesla but the website lists supercharge stations at 170 miles per 30 minutes or ~56 miles per 10 minutes. You could be right about 40 miles per 10 minutes at highway speed.
We will see how things go with the super charge stations now that they have opened up the technology to other companies for use. From a post I saw online I think the biggest difference is they use a 480v 200 amp feed and most other charge stations are 220 or 240v. Other people can potentially build 480v change stations and it doesn't necessarily have to be Tesla building them all. Besides, in the absence of a super charge station you can use the common J1772 adapter at a normal (240v) charge station. An adapter for CHAdeMO (400v+) is on the way too.
I don't really agree with you that all the Pro-Tesla people are just wall street shills. I am unapologetically pro Tesla and I don't own one of their products or any of their stock.
@Chevypower gasoline doesn't even meet your 500 miles per 3 minute requirement and after 500 miles of driving I'd be ready to stop to get something to eat and use the bathroom anyway. For most people 500 mile trips in 1 shot are a rare corner case rather than a common use case. You could go 500 miles in a Tesla with one stop along the way at a superchage station.
If I owned a shopping mall I would put in a super charge station there just to attract people who wanted to find something to do while their car charged. All that's left is for fast charge stations to become as common as J1772 and its really only a matter of time before it happens.
In terms of CHAdeMO vs Tesla, CHAdeMO does 62.5 kW max and is a more bulky plug than Tesla that will do up to 120 kW. That means that without adopting Teslas (now open) charge standard essentially nothing else is going to charge as fast.
If your goal is not using gasoline for a fuel source that's an important advantage for Tesla.
10th July, 2014 @ 8:43 p.m. (California Time)
@Daishi, I don't really understand your rant. You are getting overly technical with your "bathroom breaks." Surely, you must have understood my point. Yes, a driver may need to stop off at the grocery store and the post office along the way too, but that's irrelevant to my point. Feel free to be so blinded by your loyalty to Tesla that you fail to see all its current (no pun intended) drawbacks.
10th July, 2014 @ 11:30 p.m. (California Time)
@Silent Hightimes plug in hybrid is far from trash. A lot of people just vastly underestimate its usefulness compared to regular hybrid. 25 miles is probably enough to drive to work every day on EV alone, if you can charge there its enough to drive back too.
What ends up happening is that when the first 25 miles of every trip you take is done on EV alone it /vastly/ cuts down the amount of gasoline you actually use because nobody commutes 300 miles to work every day.
Even though the Chevy volt only goes about 35 miles on EV before using fuel the average Volt owner gets over 900 miles out of a 9 gal tank of gas. Because people tend to drive short distances most the time that "junk" distance of only 35 EV miles translates to a real world number of about 100 miles traveled per gallon of fuel used (about 43 km/liter). That's about twice the mileage of a Prius for about the same price.
Any major automaker that doesn't have significant plans for producing plug in hybrids is asleep at the wheel.
If Lithium Ion prices continue to drop at 15%/year a lot of calculations start making sense in a couple years. It allows Tesla to make their "Model E" but it also means it won't make sense for hybrids not to be plug in based on being able to recoup the additional battery costs in savings after only a few years. From the perspective of the automakers they'll subsidize some of the costs to comply with government fuel restrictions anyway.
11th July, 2014 @ 1:30 a.m. (California Time)
Most of the people have 2 cars or more. If they want to drive to some remote areas they will choose gasoline car. Tesla with it's 400 km range is enough to drive 90% other journeys. This is much.
When I look at what I'm using ma car to - Tesla would cover 100% my car uses.
11th July, 2014 @ 3:30 a.m. (California Time)
Touareg 5 litre V10. 310 horsepower. 553 ft.-lbs. of torque at 2000 rpm.
0-60 in 5.2 seconds. Top speed 155mph. weight 3 tonnes. Trailer capacity 3.5 tonnes. Long run economy 25.82 mpg.
I know because I have got one....had it from new for the last 5 years.
And...they did a motor mag test....it pulled a Boeing 747 (157 tonnes) on the runway, But get this, to get traction they had to put 7.5 tonnes of ballast in the back........try putting 7.5 tonnes in the back of a Volvo....!
11th July, 2014 @ 9:16 a.m. (California Time)
It tells me that a lot of car drivers could drive electric most of the time, and when you want to drive a long distance, the car acts like a normal car.
11th July, 2014 @ 12:33 p.m. (California Time)
Until a charger that allows you 300 Km in 10~20 minutes is invented, hybrids (preferably EREV's) would be the only practical solution for all-round usage.
11th July, 2014 @ 1:22 p.m. (California Time)
@Mariusz Gyan the difference is you cannot recharge the Tesla in 3-5 minutes. What part of that do you people not friggen understand? I don't want a car that takes 10 years to charge, even if it can go 400 miles! If I want to drive to Los Angeles from here (which I can't see why I would want to go there, but that's not the point). I would have to stay in Salt Lake City for a night to let the car charge, then stay in Vegas for another night, charge it again, and then charge it overnight when I get to LA. Or I could go down there right now in my current car, and make it in one day. Please, just TRY to understand the difference, and avoid being difficult to make a case for the Tesla.
11th July, 2014 @ 6:06 p.m. (California Time)
@hyperspaced not to split hairs but Model S will supercharge at ~273 km (170 miles) in 30 minutes. That's not quite 300 km in 20 minutes but it isn't out of the ballpark either. The Model S is also a performance oriented car. If they made a slower "econocar" that was closer to the 230 watt-hours per mile the Chevy Volt uses it would meet your requirement.
@HoChiMong Agreed, from those statistics 68% of commutes are under 15 miles one way. An important point is even if your commute is 20 miles and you do just the first 15 on EV its not like you break down on the side of the road. You just get only "hybrid" mileage for 1/4 of the trip. The battery costs for 10 or 15 miles of EV is so cheap there isn't a good reason not to support it.
11th July, 2014 @ 6:47 p.m. (California Time)