What a pile of crap. Of course I can twist and turn any statistics in a way that it produces an outcome that I want.
I cant see any 13 year olds prostituting themselves for alcohol, but plenty doing the same for heroin. Of course that spreads HIV (which I am sure was discarded as a means to hurt others). I am also wondering whether the crimes commited to get the money for a certain drug were rated in \"harms others\"...
Whatever, just another stupid study with no connection to reality whatsoever. And people are wondering why scientists get a bad rep. I for my part dont want to be associated with these people.
3rd November, 2010 @ 3:35 p.m. (California Time)
It would be helpful to know how the number of users of a drug influence the level of harm in the chart published.
Ie are the high results for alcohol predominantly due to the number of users? If there are a large number of alcohol related vehicle accidents, this will create more harm to society generally than a small number of \"13 year olds prostituing themselves\"
3rd November, 2010 @ 6:26 p.m. (California Time)
Dear Skipjack, could we see the methodology, criteria and numbers you used in YOUR study? Or was it tea leaves?
3rd November, 2010 @ 9:49 p.m. (California Time)
What a huge shame that petrol-sniffing isn\'t on the list - this is a huge problem - it would be awesome to see how it rates: my guess is it would outrank the lot on both counts?
3rd November, 2010 @ 10:41 p.m. (California Time)
I am interested to read the methodology and criteria,e specially in the `harmful to others\' category. A large number of the farm workers with the cocaine industries are indentured (slave) labour... I\'d consider that pretty harmful too. But yeahnah, as a professional musician it doesn\'t surprise me at all that alcohol is rated the most harmful in both categories.
4th November, 2010 @ 1:56 a.m. (California Time)
By just observing how booze lovers defend alcohol and don\'t seem to imagine any social gathering without it, it has long been obvious as far as I\'m concern that addiction is strong. Now, considering that someone drunk can bring violence into families, loose jobs or not perform well in business, can provoke dramatic road accidents... something which is not the case with - say, tobacco, such consequences on others have a cost for society.
This is something which has long been observed by numerous people, especially those not keen on booze who have a fair judgement. I\'m glad that a team of scientist has finally brought a demonstration. I hope it helps health authorities to reassess their priorities: stop pointing your finger constantly at smokers, alcohol should be targeted equally if not more.
4th November, 2010 @ 2:50 a.m. (California Time)
It appears that methamphetamine is misspelled as "metamfetamine".
[Ed note: That's how the graphic was supplied to us, although it does appear to be an alternate spelling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine]
4th November, 2010 @ 4:29 a.m. (California Time)
\"Interpretation: These findings lend support to previous work assessing drug harms, and show how the improved scoring and weighting approach of MCDA increases the differentiation between the most and least harmful drugs. However, the findings correlate poorly with present UK drug classification, which is not based simply on considerations of harm.\" (Quoted from the summary of this report).
4th November, 2010 @ 6:56 a.m. (California Time)
Back in the 60\'s (Remember or read about then??) I was a Broadcast journalist in New York. This was the time of the first wide public consciousness about drug use. I heard parents say, \"Why would someone take a drug they don\'t need??\" There was little real information and a lot of myth and rumor.
Consumer Reports came out with a well-researched, scientifically based book titled \"Licit and Illicit Drugs\". It was a major part of my research into the drug phenomenon and the drug scene on the street. The book was widely condemned by people who \"knew\" things like \"heroin destroys the brain within 6 months\" and \"Marijuana smoking almost always leads to hard drug addiction\".
By the time Woodstock got moved from Wallkill to White Lake and really happened (I got the posh accommodations: I slept on the floor in the Press trailer), I was able to identify and talk about the drug reality at that time and place.
Again, well-researched hard information will be attacked by the fearmongers and the
moralists. You will hear \"by saying \"XXDRUG\" is not terribly harmful you will lead our children into drug addiction\".
MY kids heard all the discussion, and got my stories from the street dealers and the really bad stuff that went down, often to nice people. They knew what was what with drugs, and they and my 11 grandchildren have never had a lack of true knowledge about drugs or been seduced by the street/cultural myths about how great they are.
The best thing you can do for YOUR kids is to know the truth and the details about \"Licit and Illicit Drugs\".. If you don\'t know the difference between opiates and amphetamines and hallucinogens and their street names, you can\'t help your kids learn about all the good things in the world and the bad things, and which is which.
Regards, Terry King ..On the Red Sea at KAUST.edu.sa
4th November, 2010 @ 7:11 a.m. (California Time)
What about all those pharmaceuticals that have a chance for the side effect of \"death\" or other serious health conditions, especially if mixed with other Pharmaceuticals. So many people are addicted to pills. My pastor\'s wife is afraid someone is going to break into her house and steal her pain meds, and has constant freak outs when she is away from her home that someone is breaking it right that second. Pharmacies are on every corner. Include pharmaceuticals in your study.
4th November, 2010 @ 7:43 a.m. (California Time)
\"Marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form - levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs\' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.\"
\"Depression, anxiety, and personality disturbances have been associated with chronic marijuana use. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana%u2019s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.\"
\"Research has shown that some babies born to women who abused marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate neurological problems in development. During the preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to perform tasks involving sustained attention and memory more poorly than nonexposed children do. In the school years, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in problem-solving skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive.\"
\"An abuser\'s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana. The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana\'s effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.\"
Oh yes. Completely harmless.
4th November, 2010 @ 9:55 a.m. (California Time)
please check your \"facts\" before posting erroneous information and misleading people.
4th November, 2010 @ 10:28 a.m. (California Time)
@Racqui Dvorak: Got an axe to grind against cannabis, we got it. But if you\'re going to pull some random quotes out of the air, at least have the integrity to cite the sources. After all, you may be citing out of date info, which it seems you are. Time to update your facts:
4th November, 2010 @ 11:07 a.m. (California Time)
Do I think recreation drugs can be legalised?.
Yes, they can, just like alcohol started of as moonhine, and was to potent at 100% proof, and known to make certain people blind. These days with better control on its strength, it can e enjoyed as a socialising tool. Unfortunately, its effects vary dependant on person, thus, is classified as more harmfull to society with its ability to cause some to fight, be hospitalised, or have organ failure.
Now, one must ask themselves, why would smoking ciggarettes be more dangerous to your health, than cannabis users that don\'t use any filter element? ... answers on a postcard!.
Personally, I think people should have some kind of blood/medical test, that ascertains of how much alcohol and certain drug types will effect there body and mind. With this information, an individual will know what and how much they can take... after all just like a drugs prescription, you wouldn\'t take more than is prescribed by the Doc!
Take Care on your dosage... what ever is your DRUG.
4th November, 2010 @ 11:10 a.m. (California Time)
I\'d like to know the consumption methods and doses of all these. You can consume almost any drug that you can take orally, anally. Most people smoke marijuana, but there are far less harmful ways of consuming it. You can smoke mushrooms, but that does harm to your brain, eating them leaves no side effects. I\'ve never consumed them but have studied them a lot and find it all pretty fascinating. I think this article is pretty biased and vague. Another test to manipulate the public for someone else\'s agenda. One shot of alcohol is less harmful than one shot of heroin, regardless of the alcohol content. One hit of LSD versus one cannabis filled space brownie is much more harmful to the one taking the hit and the ones around them. I\'d like to see a fair argument with detailed tests. Drug content, methods used, dosage, surrounding environment. This is a good concept, just poorly and unfairly executed in my opinion.
4th November, 2010 @ 11:30 a.m. (California Time)
WOW..... I have not seen so many people offended by a scientific study.. LOL
It appears it is news to most of the commenter that drugs actually do have a negative impact on the users and society as a whole.
This or course is obvious to all those not using drugs..
I think it is very interesting in terms of affects to others, pot is more harmful then cocaine.
4th November, 2010 @ 7:57 p.m. (California Time)
Making drugs illegal has not stemmed the tide of abuse, then why would legalization be any different? Laws can not change people.
6th November, 2010 @ 5:50 a.m. (California Time)
To any of the idiots that think that there was no science in the study there is a full report on the findings.... It is the illegality that creates the crimes! Read the full report and educate yourself.
7th November, 2010 @ 5:37 p.m. (California Time)
I just read the study, and I am not sure how this is called Science. I guess when you put 20 people in a room and ask them to rank criteria, this passes for Science these days. I know these people are experts and all, but my bullshit meter goes off when I see meth get a score less than 5 for \"harmful to others\".
10th November, 2010 @ 12:26 p.m. (California Time)
The number of users should not have been a variable in assessing the dangers of the drug.
13th November, 2010 @ 9:29 a.m. (California Time)
it would be interesting to know if these numbers are scaled by usage, in other words how many harmed versus how many regular users.
17th November, 2010 @ 11 p.m. (California Time)
Surprise! All these drugs are harmful.
No matter which ones you do, you're hurting yourself & others.
23rd October, 2013 @ 12:29 p.m. (California Time)