Why can't we just stick to 1000Kg being exactly 1Ton...
21st May, 2013 @ 12:34 p.m. (California Time)
Those reported sale prices need to be reduced by two thirds to make it viable in developing nations.
21st May, 2013 @ 12:40 p.m. (California Time)
Yeah, way too expensive. Good idea though.
21st May, 2013 @ 2:34 p.m. (California Time)
It has nothing the market already does not apart from being overpriced.
21st May, 2013 @ 4:15 p.m. (California Time)
The power takeoff is nice but the intended market would be better off buying used Ford pickups.
21st May, 2013 @ 9:53 p.m. (California Time)
I think the point is that importing 'used Ford pick-ups' just isn't a viable option for the many of the target markets: Ford pick-ups are (relatively) sophisticated, spares are expensive and the vehicles difficult to transport to the intended users in the first place.
They're also (in the rest of World where gas tends to be less cheap than in the USA) a tad thirsty.
Conduct an analysis of the likely through life costs of ownership and the proposed price range may begin to look more attractive?
22nd May, 2013 @ 2:51 a.m. (California Time)
I knew there are still some Remarkable Britons!
22nd May, 2013 @ 3:35 a.m. (California Time)
Remember the "AFRICAR" of the 80-ies made of wood and Citroen parts intended for local production and local conditions.
22nd May, 2013 @ 4:19 a.m. (California Time)
There is none metrics ton ?
1000Kg = 1tone , where i am
22nd May, 2013 @ 6:06 a.m. (California Time)
thk, exactly. For example Kia's K2700 is offered for less than $19,000 in the most basic version in many developing countries. And other companies offer comparable vehicles.
Slowburn, used Ford pickups in the same load range are fuel hogs. I have a Ford Ranger here in Costa Rica that has a nice 4 cylinder diesel that's pretty economical on fuel. But the Ford's full size pickups that you can put 2 tons in the bed of, all have big 8 to 12 cylinder behemoths under the hood if I'm not mistaken. Also in most developing countries, getting replacement parts for Ford's means going to the Ford dealer, which is prohibitively expensive. Which is why I'll be getting an Asian pickup next time, even though I'm otherwise happy with the Ford.
22nd May, 2013 @ 6:22 a.m. (California Time)
It very much looks like the Mercedes Unimog UX100 which go for 10k used and have 4WD.
22nd May, 2013 @ 7:18 a.m. (California Time)
This simple, clean and design would lend itself to Bill Allison's bogied 8 wheel suspension designs since that would provide far less rolling resistance as evidenced by billions of rail cars, plus even better traction and safety.
Sir Alex Moulton grew up aware of Bill's Packard torsion suspension. In his retirement Bill lamented that having spent a lifetime as a suspension designer, having designed for Hudson, Packard and Ford, he finally solved the design issue then.
Proof of concept is readily achieved with small models on an inclined plane. The 8 wheel versions alway roll far greater distances.
The Japanese professor fully understood this and it can be seen in his designs for the Elica and the earlie vehicle that carried 19 and traveled at 200mph.
With 8 wheels you do not need the tires to be so fat. Motorcycle wheels would work.
When I talked with Sir Alex it was a thrill to know that he and his buddies had enjoyed the self leveling quality of the Packard Caribbean by jumping in and out of the car. It would have been fun to watch.
If the Brits are open to an American Design they might have super success.
22nd May, 2013 @ 11:10 a.m. (California Time)
This appears, from the data and pictures, to have the potential to be a commercially viably design. As with most vehicles, the core issues are manufacturing capability, cost control, developmental talent, sales distribution, and safety regulations compliance.
If produced, it would be filling a market gap that is not presently well met. I wish the promoters the best of success.
22nd May, 2013 @ 2:21 p.m. (California Time)
You all appear to be rather overlooking the value of getting 6 into a 20ft ISO container. Freight to many places in Afric is horrendous.
22nd May, 2013 @ 2:24 p.m. (California Time)
While the objections to the Ford pickups have some validity I stand by my assertion that a used ford is a better option than the OX. American pickups are over designed you can expect a "half ton" to handle the same load while pulling another 5 tons as a trailer without seriously degrading the gas mileage. Don't try this at highway speeds or on steep hills as the brakes didn't get the same over design.
22nd May, 2013 @ 3:37 p.m. (California Time)
I'm with you.
What would six fords cost to get to Africa?
Always count on slowburn for instant criticism-
do you actually DO anything or are you just a professional critic?
My experience with modern American half-ton trucks is that they are NOT
They are built largely for the passenger car market-
which comprises serious numbers of their sales.
which one will be easier to work on?
Many modern trucks have ridiculously complex service protocols-
like remove the body to remove the cylinder head.
Many automatic transmissions no longer even have dipsticks...
If the Brits are listening-
keep it AS EASY TO SERVICE AND REPAIR as it is to assemble and you
will NEVER face competition from Ford,etc.!
I have not met a mechanic yet who says that the newer vehicles are easier to work on than the older ones and I have discussed this extensively with many.
23rd May, 2013 @ 11:03 a.m. (California Time)
If gas is that expensive, and parts as well, why not an electric version? I've seen electric ambulances used in remote parts of Africa already. We're probably talking about equatorial regions and below after all, which means plenty of sun and likely limited range requirements due to road conditions. Assembling it would be far easier, and maintenance on electrics is far cheaper and less frequent than gas/diesel motors. Also, a very good trade-off re: torque vs speed.
23rd May, 2013 @ 6:07 p.m. (California Time)
Bad design is bad design but removing the body to facilitate major engine work is not ridiculous, having to dismount the engine to change spark plugs is.
re; John Matthias
Any electric ambulance in the remote parts of Africa didn't serve the community at large. Electric vehicles are pathetically short ranged and and are simply not cost effective.
24th May, 2013 @ 9:48 a.m. (California Time)
As has been pointed out, the Ford pick-ups (used or new) were designed for government 'viro regulated markets where the priorities of functionality, simplicity, ease of repair, and cost have been egregiously subordinated to emissions control and other "environmental impact" concerns.
Only the extremely wealthy (in absolute world-wide terms) can afford to suffer that kind of pathologically parasitic political correctness.
Folks in the "disadvantaged" regions of the world can't survive that kind of strangulating feel-good bullpuckey.
For that reason, if no other, the presentation of vehicle designs like this one have tremendous value. By taking into consideration not only delivery costs and ease of maintenance but also the "market niche" left spectacularly unfilled by the most commonly available Western vehicles.
For those who make the "used Ford pick-up" argument, consider how the U.S. military stipulated the design and the overseas shipping mode for the Willys MB "Jeep," which was specified as:
"...a general purpose, personnel, or cargo carrier especially adaptable for reconnaissance or command, and designated as 1/4-ton 4x4 Truck."
During World War II, when shipping space was at a premium, whole jeeps (not spare parts, but everything required to assemble a single vehicle) were individually crated in a flat box and sent overseas that way for assembly at their destinations.
The principles behind this new design are well-understood and quite valid.
28th May, 2013 @ 5:33 a.m. (California Time)
They took of the steering wheel and tires. and folded the windshield down. and put it in a crate.
29th May, 2013 @ 5:17 p.m. (California Time)
Didn't GM try this in the '70s? And didn't it go down like a lead balloon?
However, China exports 1000's of flat-pack mopeds to SubSaharan Africa, so there might be something in this... If the trucks were produced in China. (re. price)
31st May, 2013 @ 5:35 p.m. (California Time)