Hmm, but what bike frame will it fit in? woo hooooo
I wish I could "like" Sean's comment! ^
Like! - Sean's comment. And I think it would sit nicely in a Caterham 7
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw it : )
One step at a time lads. It is already destined for something that comes as close to being a trike as makes no difference. A bike application can't be that far off. I suppose the only problem then will be finding someone brave enough to ride the thing.
Mel, that is a great idea. It would be neat to see it in a trike. Perhaps have a racing trike for NASCAR and call it NasTrike?
It would be neat to see it in a small sports car; like the Mazda M5 / Miata. It would also be neat to see it in some of todays very compact cars; Fiat 500, Mini Cooper, Smart Fortwo, etc. :) IMO, it would give the mini car maxi power. :)
With its narrow form and light weight, this could be a good aircraft engine in a detuned form.
Personal aircraft applications inevitable! I can't wait.
How about that unit (detuned maybe) in the BladeGlider? No more range anxiety!
Bruce H. Anderson
Bikers have to wonder about a 500 cc triple with 135 hp that weighs under 20 kilos.
I wonder if this is a scalable design in terms of weight and friction?
Is there some optimal cylinder size? Bore/Stroke ratio?
I think Elio should offer this motor as an option.
Lol Nissan. Formula 1 engines have a minimum weight requirement of 145kg so the comparison is kind of a red herring.
now that would fit right where the geo engine fits in my plane,mmmmm no more worries about hot and high takeoff power....;)
put this engine in the Elio :) That would be cool.
I believe that the "friction" problems are actually "fiction" and are being used to endorse a Nissan lubricant... Amsoil and others have 100% synthetic lubricants now and are totally compatible with high tech engines, plus they make other 100% synthetic fluids and greases for transmissions and bearings in universal joints, etc.
A much less expensive version could help power a hybrid electric version of a Caterham 7/Lotus 7 lightweight 2 seater for around town fun...
I agree with Matt and EH. It would make a great 200 hp a/c engine. It would need a reduction box to get the prop speed down to 2700 and the blower would be used to normalize rather than boost. Sign me up.
This thing certainly fires up the imagination - bikes, 'planes, PWC's....how much fun can you have.
I guess price and availability will be the biggest issues
1 - How many octanes as the petrol they used? 100? 110? More?
2 - Time before overhaul?
3 - Cost of each engine?
Check out what Henry "Smokey" Yunick did decades ago. Nissan and the rest are only just now catching up.
How reliable is it?
It would make loads of room under the hood of my truck.
Hmm,will this fit in my `66 Beetle ?
Make one half the size and weight and put it in a small commuter and you have a winner.
my first thoughts were both elio and the smartfortwo car. a 400hp smart car? that would very very cool.
Anyone know at what rpm this makes 400hp? I'd be interested in seeing a graph of the power band. Is this the redesign of a bike engine or something totally new? Aluminum, magnesium, or something exotic? What are its fuel requirements?
re: "Nissan will become the first major manufacturer to use a three-cylinder engine in major international motorsport,”
If a road rally can be considered an international motor sport (and they were popular back in the day) then the Saab 93 had 3 cylinders and was running in them back in the 50's with fairly good results. See:
The world record for a turbo charged Suzuki GSX1300 Busa is 750hp. The Suzuki though has an intergrated gearbox so it's impossible to do a direct comparison. I do wonder though how would the 2 compare for weight if the Nissan motor had the gearbox fitted ?
oh my!!!! if this thing became cheap... that would be a bit disruptive me thinks.. in the best way possible
if you can 400Hp from a 1500 40Kg then 100Hp from a 20Kg engine doesn't seem unreasonable and if they happen to be fuel efficient, a hybrid electric vehicle would so much more interesting and ultra light aircraft companies would enjoy the new technology, I'm assuming they have incorporated a lot of ceramics, plastic and titanium in its construction.
Let me know when I can fabricate all the components on my 3D printer. Until then my next 7 build plans include a 20B...with reservations.
E Morgan Schuster
Put 2 of them together and create an awesome but hyper-green, hyper-manageable day-2-day trackcar / supercar
esp. if you applied the kind of tech seen in those modular V8s, where you can drive with only half the engine working when full power isn't needed
90% of day-to-day use would only need one engine and you'd still have a fun sporty car ... hell, with the hybrid capability you could probably do most of your commuting without needing either.
At 40kg the weight penalty of the passive half isn't a big deal
But get to the track and there's 600kW (plus any electric motor!)
You could mount one front and one rear for weight distribution
You could even have the front one drive the front wheels and the rear one drive the rear wheels ... selectable front-wheel, rear-wheel, or four-wheel drive!
Is it green also ? Sorry for spoiling the conversation.
There was a Smart Roadster that had a custom engine; where they put two of the Fortwos three cylinder engine together to make a V6. If they did that with this, it could be one powerful V6.
I wish there was a 'like' or 'thumbs up' option since I like some of the comments posted for this article. :)
With a 145kg minimum engine weight you could put one of these on each wheel for a total of 160kg and 1600hp.
I have a nice 12 ft aluminum boat that could use a re-power.
OK, I also would like a bike with this engine in it. But a better idea would be to see if we could make a much smaller, less powerful engine, using a very similar design. If 88lbs makes a 400hp engine how small would a 60hp engine be if the same tech was used?
If a hybrid drive system is used even 60hp is overkill if it only spins an alternator to boost the batteries. The potential for seriously wonderful gas mileage might be at hand.
Notice that he's holding it with the blower and the intake assembly removed. It's not THAT much smaller than your run-of-the-mill- 4 cylinder.
Plus, it sounds like it needs a lot of fuel additives to run efficiently.
And 3 cylinders running smoothly at low RPMs? Forget it.
I would be pleased if it was all true, but I think there's quite a bit of hype installed. If it makes it in one piece through 24 hours of LeMans, that will be impressive.
looks nice, the possibilities for a retrofit market are awesome for people who have older cars but cant afford to buy a new hybrid or regular fuel efficient vehicle. This Nissan motor is bigger than the one develoed by www.angellabsllc.com Angel labs is develping a 6" motor with 200HP. Thats just a bit bigger than a 2 liter bottle of soda. They've already developed a 14" version that is powerfull enough to replace a massive 18 wheeler diesel engine....14"!
To get so much power from 1.5L you need high compresion.
With that much compresion and a alu body, it will be useless after one race.
Hope it will stand for a 24h race.
On a motorbike website a poster argued with my comments that 180hp 1,000cc motorbike engines are boring! I stand by that now, as this truly shows what Japanese engine designers CAN DO!
Yet the emissions "excuses" they keep churning out for motorcycle engines, yet the racing engines keep getting more powerful/efficient/lower revving every rule change lol.
Can us bikers imagine a 350-600cc detuned 120-185 bhp with amazing lightness/reliabilty that could add just 20-25KG in road trims stunning.
@ EJacob Cornelius
Not all three cylinder engines run like a four cylinder engine missing missing on number four.
Possibly the most efficient naturally aspirated petrol engine the world has ever seen
It's awesome they managed to cram 400hp into such a small package. I'll be really interested whent they use this same technology to build a 50hp generator engine I can carry in one hand. I'll put my name on that buy list. I've got several Full hybrid designs that could use it. Both full electric and hydraulic hybrids would make the years we spent getting 30-40 miles to the gallon look like the model T years compared to modern cars. Make it burn deisel and I could get another 100 or so folks who would want one a crown funded campeign would blow the lid off any reasonable goal.
Where's the flywheel ?
I want 2 for my 86 Fiero.
HMMM...............I'm thinking of a reduction drive and a few tweaks for use in an aircraft.
looks to me like a perfect engine swap in an Elio
The Nissan seems to be used the comrod.