Self is Soul, a transparentlike ONLY FULL body , in wich you can see your own bones.
Daniel Plata Baca
Doc Oc already proved this 2 spiderman movies ago...
philosophers. as long as there are absolutists there will be philosophers. for everone in between, the people who aren\'t stuck in the renaissance, they\'re all just annoying. honestly i think philosophers are for the most part scared people who aren\'t willing to take a chance, and don\'t like the idea of being left behind so they try and hold everyone back while hiding behind a mask of wisdom. if it were up to the absolutists we had the answer to everything from the beginning. if it were up to the philosophers we\'ll never have any answers. between the two of them we have managed to survive this far, but in 2011 they\'re just slowing us down. going all neo-mystic and pondering the idea of self is like pondering the existance of a chair, honestly it\'s rediculous. this self might just be a collection of matter in an elaborate form, but it still freakin exists. honestly these people are lost in their own head. words grounded on nothing are just pointless maths. they mean nothing
Kiel Stuart (@kielrhys)
Great article Ben! I\'d be very interested to hear more on the Karolinska study.
You have a very shallow understanding of what you are talking about. Further, your position is actually absolute in its conclusions, which is hypocritical if not somewhat, you know, stupid, considering what you are trying to argue. I suspect your post is a form of procrastination.
OF COURSE they would tell you this just before they KILL you!
This isn\'t exactly new. I remember this type of study from when I did psychology at uni nearly 20 years ago.
Also, here is an e-how that demonstrates the same or at least similar principle
And any guy who has watched Funniest Home Videos will know it is possible to feel another man\'s pain...
Im writing this in Sydney but Im really in Honolulu.
Sounds more like a trick of the mind and your own perceptions rather than any real transference of consciousness or anything beyond a neat trick... kinda like when you flinch or cringe when watching someone else get cut on TV or in a movie, you can almost feel the sensation of what you see on the screen... just another neat trick or psychological phenomenon...
This is nothing new, Jaron Lanier discovered this in the early 1980\'s when a VR immersion program went haywire and he wound up with a huge thumb. Through experimentation, he discovered how to manipulate new, artificial virtual limbs. Saw him talk about this at a TED talk here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwbGumZ-FYg&feature=player_embedded
Ir seems likely that what\'s going on here is mental confusion rather than synthesis. With extended experience, the mind will learn to distinguish ever more subtle differences between visual images and other sensory input, and then once again will draw the distinction between self and non-self/other.
This is not to deny cognitive plasticity, only to say that I don\'t think this study has that much to say about it.
Loving It All
Yes, philosophers can go on about, if reality is in reality a vision of a collective set frequency. Well, yep!. For centuries from early cilvilisations, man has had some form of shamens/wise souls that predict whats going to happen in the foreceable future. Well, surely the experiment above reinforces that we each control our own destiny, thus, infact are biological computers that know if we raise our leg to move forward, you already know the ground it will hit in advance. My imagine if you have taken some form of intoxication of where the real becomes fluid. Now taking that step forward, is in a distorted reality, thus the ground in front gives way to abundance of options. This example, proves one thing, and that is, that we predict our next moment, by simply pre-taught patterns of past memories.
Its is true philosophers have their head in the clouds, and you would not probably want one operating machinery near you!. But, just like yoga, or any anti-stress programmes, you need to get your brain waves at a steady pattern, before excercising a sence of well-being. Insome ancient asian cultures, it is said one should never leave their house with stress, otherwise the chance of injury or making a mistake is increased several fold.
Alot of work since the 60\'s and these days, have concluded that certain brain waveforms, are infact actual kinetic instructions, minus any physical connection. So, surely why would it be so bazaar, that one can feel artificial ownership of robotic/plastic limbs, or premeditated pain of others. The secret is amplifying the thought, and making the energy around you part and parcel, of your domain self. After all, everything is energy, so why can\'t oneself morpth into the surrounding at choosing?... now thats another subject for another day!
One test you can do without leaving your chair, is remember a time on a hot day. As the sun heats the pavement with its greater energy magnitude, what is the vision ahead doing?. The energy of the sun, is infact changing the reality of fixed vision energy of a normal day. Thus, the science tells you its the heat that you are looking at, but, what if I told you that the heat energy is greater, and distorting the energy of reality... then what would you think!
In life we are groomed constantly to think a certain way, because then you continue to operate in the pre-set frequency; like machines and pre-programmed robots. In the West this ethos of thinking is most common, and so is cancer. Imagine, you had a balance of wisdom/self reflection, done via slowing down and fixing yourself mentally, be it yoga, or time for self regeneration, wouldn\'t life and society be a better place.
Remember, only a fool is a gerbal that continues to run on that mechanicial wheel going no where... and its only a matter of time something gives... the wheel or you! Personally, I would slow down and look at what the reality I have produced, and what I prefer to be living in.
Just like a computer, we overload our brains with applications, and processes, and its only a matter of time before the whole structure becomes overloaded and overheats. So, slow down, and rid yourself of pre-set unneccessary tasks.
\'\'Have a good life in the reality you choose yourself!\'\'
Remember: There is more to Humans, than meets the brain!
I am a product of the 60\'s, I have proven this theory over 40 years ago. I have proof; All my friends told me that I was at Woodstock and that I had a great time.
Yet my \"Self\" was off somewhere else. I am sure many of you undercover Hippies can relate. Dear Dr Guterstam, got any paper.
So goes the thought \"Don\'t believe anything you think\"
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE - WE ARE OUR BOTHERS AND SISTERS
THE MORE WE LOOK AFTER THEM - THE MORE WE LOOK AFTER OURSELVES.
THE ATTACHED FEELING BODY MEDITATION IS NOW OBVIOUSLY THE BEST WAY TO CURE OUR OWN CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THAT OF OTHERS.
CRYSTAL CLEAR CONFIRMATION OF THE FACT THAT WE CAN MERGE WITH ANOTHER PERSON FOR A BENEFICIAL EFFECT. VERY IMPORTANT TO INVOKE GOD'S HELP SO AS NOT TO SHARE THE KARMA.
THIS TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE HEALING CIRCLE SYSTEM
SEE THE SAME METHOD BELOW FOR TEACHING ONE\'S BODY NEW TALENTS. BASICALLY CREATING AN AVATAR OF YOURSELF, TEACHING IT HOW TO SING, SPEAK A LANGUAGE ETC - THEN MERGING THAT AVATAR WITH YOURSELF.
AND, THE REALLY REALLY BIG ONE - DREAMING OR ASTRAL PROJECTION - DOING THE SAME THING. I.E. TEACHING YOUR LUCID DREAMING BODY TO FLY, THEN MERGING THE DREAMING BODY WITH THE PHYSICAL BODY, THUS TEACHING YOUR PHYSICAL BODY HOW TO FLY - THIS IS A TEACHING OF DON JUAN, A YAQUI SORCERER TO CARLOS CASTANEDA. AND HE WASN'T KIDDING.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REPORTS ABOUT AFRICAN SHAMANS HAVING THE SAME ABILITIES.
JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY HAS HAD FLYING DREAMS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG. WHY? WELL NOW YOU KNOW.
\"Thus, the science tells you its the heat that you are looking at, but, what if I told you that the heat energy is greater, and distorting the energy of reality... then what would you think!\"
I\'d think you\'re peddling woo.
old news - using a world model creates expected responses which effects responses. good that there is further rigorous testing to support this theory... not world shaking though...
Those are two very different studies-
they should be two different articles.
Transferring \"self\" and attaching a new arm are different ends of the spectrum.
so Stan Lee had the right idea when he made DOCTOR OCTOPUS???!!!
who knew MARVEL was ahead of it\'s time...
We have always projected ourselves onto an "other." Thus is the nature of play, worship, love, and advertising as we identify the doll, the idol, our romantic interest or product with our aspirational selves. Avatars represent another form of this self and minituarized image transference occurs daily in virtual worlds.
\"Im writing this in Sydney but Im really in Honolulu.\"
Both of me is in Pattaya, & not less than one is drinking Carlsberg!
Great song, \"How long has this been going on?\" This is a new twist on a very old subject. I think if these researchers were serious about OBE they would travel to India, Tibet, or even San Francisco around 1968! Oh wait, that would require a time machine. My daughter would look for Phineas & Ferb, I just need the Doc and Marty!
@Captn, Aye, aye!
Anyone who has ever experienced the painful emotional condition called displacement understands the feeling that they are standing just slightly outside of themselves. It is a very painful and frightening state of mind. The person so effected often feels that not only their person but their sanity as well is being moved out of their body. It is a torturous condition.
I wonder if the person knew that it was a deliberately induced experience under controlled conditions if the pain and fear would be removed from that experience.
Also at a certain point if the imaginary limb is switched off would phantom pain issues occur as is seen in some amputees.