So... what\'s the difference from an good old thermocouple?
24th June, 2011 @ 5:25 p.m. (California Time)
Thermocouples are about 6%. Which is enough to use them as temperature sensors.
I know they are just at the beginning of this, but some numbers would be good.....
24th June, 2011 @ 6:06 p.m. (California Time)
Something that converts heat DIRECTLY into electricity??... boy, this is good... no wait, potentially revolutionary, if they can keep the numbers look good...
24th June, 2011 @ 9:19 p.m. (California Time)
Yes, some numbers would be very good, but I still think this seems like a better solution than a thermocouple. If you could coat the object in question in a layer of this and have perfect contact, it seems to me you\'d have a better chance of turning more of the heat into electricity. (not that I know, but I\'m guessing)
In any case, I am excited to see this. Sounds like good progress in the right direction.
24th June, 2011 @ 9:31 p.m. (California Time)
If it is over 30% it would be great for solar reflecting dishes. That saves a lot of expense and complication over heat engines. At 40% it would blow them out of the water. Of course, making the material in bulk may not be so easy. The elements themselves don\'t look too costly.
A lot of details left out. If it is 5% efficient that would not be much of a game changer.
Peltiers can work in reverse, I wonder it this can be coaxed to as well. Could make a good cooler. I am probably dreaming.
25th June, 2011 @ 2:09 a.m. (California Time)
I meant by cooling, not by heating ;)
25th June, 2011 @ 2:11 a.m. (California Time)
I wouldn\'t get my hopes up. The process seems to be a sudden change in magnetic properties at reaching a certain temperature. This would create a single magnetic pulse, inducing a single electrical spike. This could be measured, but not useful. You need a cyclic induction to get useful power out.
Perhaps if they find a way for this material to swiftly oscillate between magnetic states it would become useful, but in most cases thermal reactions are quite slow.
25th June, 2011 @ 8:17 a.m. (California Time)
If this material could be buried under pavement, wow! Roads and parking lots turn into electricity generators. How about roof tops? Stay tuned!
25th June, 2011 @ 7:08 p.m. (California Time)
So, no moving parts? Another application (if it indeed is more efficient than a thermocouple) would be deep space probes. They currently run on electricity from thermocouples that get their heat source from atomic decay.
26th June, 2011 @ 9:07 a.m. (California Time)
this would be perfect for a company with lasers and heating homes
26th June, 2011 @ 6:28 p.m. (California Time)
Yeah - a extra set of figures - like say 1000Wm2 onto it and watt it puts out?
\"watt it puts out?\" - get it? - oh ho ho - I am so funny.
26th June, 2011 @ 10:29 p.m. (California Time)
As I understand correctly from the article it does produce a continuous flow of energy, but more importantly for how long: hysteresis. It\'s a way of the system being used up like solar panels effeciency rate dropping in time... So what is the ultimate net gain of producing/transporting/developing/... this material.
27th June, 2011 @ 2:31 a.m. (California Time)
Sorry, the first link was a previous study of the material. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aenm.201000048/full is the paper related to this article with numbers.
27th June, 2011 @ 4:38 a.m. (California Time)
27th June, 2011 @ 7:02 a.m. (California Time)
Can a car\'s skin generate enough electricity to power it? It gets very hot here in Vegas.
How does this metal compare to the metal rod used by Biolite to run the fan? Exactly how much heat is needed to start the flow and at what temp do we get a diminishing return?
Can this alloy be combined with photovoltaic cells to use the infrared?
27th June, 2011 @ 7:52 a.m. (California Time)
I am wondering if this technology could be used to house battery packs. Then if you have a battery heating up due to heavy load this could possibly relieve the load and dump the heat from the battery at the same time, effectively increasing the out put of a battery pack.
27th June, 2011 @ 8:19 a.m. (California Time)
Depending on the weight, it may not be practical for use as a heat sink for auto engines- probably take as much energy to haul it as it produces. Also, what about corrosion, both galvanic and oxidation? Multi ferroic implies susceptibility to oxidation, to me. Water and air in the presence of electricity could potentially reduce this material to dust quickly. I think the most promising use for this is in solar panels and in fixed based heat producing plants, such as coal generators and the like. All in all, pretty exciting news!
27th June, 2011 @ 9:50 a.m. (California Time)
If the gained heat on Magnetic alloy was dispersed like with the electric current from the changed magnetic field. Then the gain in current would be continues. Heated element will swell and radiate any additional gained heat like the radiating process of excess electric current.
27th June, 2011 @ 1:45 p.m. (California Time)
Imagine if this is added under a solar cell so that in addition to generating electricity from from sunlight energy can be generated from the infra red radiation
27th June, 2011 @ 2:40 p.m. (California Time)
How about making an after market product to add to ICE engines, which would include such a generator and a super capacitor battery. Then when home, plug it in and get paid to put it on the grid! or better yet use it to charge up your commuter EV! Would be great if, like posted before, the efficiency numbers are high!
27th June, 2011 @ 6:36 p.m. (California Time)
I love the possibilities. But as a lot of other people making comments, I need the numbers.
This looks like it could be a device that didn't degrade over time or which could be 100% recycled.
28th June, 2011 @ 6:55 a.m. (California Time)
Sorry to spoil the fun, but there seems to be a huge drawback. If this device produces electricity by phase shift, then it should be kept hovering about the temperature at which the phase shift occurs. This means that more heat does not necessarily translates immediately to more energy; heat should first be dispersed and cooled to the correct temperature, which might cause rather large waste of energy.
19th July, 2011 @ 7:10 a.m. (California Time)
Would be neat if something like this could be made into a jumpsuit that powers a smartphone with human body heat. Then you wouldn\'t have to worry about batteries dieing in your smartphone while on the go. You could also then use smaller, cheaper batteries vastly lowering the costs of such devices.
21st August, 2011 @ 11:54 a.m. (California Time)
How much does it cost? Looks pretty darn expensive not just with the considerable nickel and cobalt content but the very high purity input metals e.g. 99.999% pure nickel and considerable processing such as 24 hours at 900C in an argon furnace. Enough to limit its applications to aerospace and military.
5th October, 2011 @ 5:38 a.m. (California Time)
Why isn't thermocouple technology used to generate power? The temperature differences in volcanic areas where the very high temperature magma is relatively close to the earth's surface and deep sea areas where the there is extremely low temperatures. In both cases the temperature differences compared to surface areas should produce enough temperature gradient
12th July, 2012 @ 10:02 p.m. (California Time)
Where should find full details of this alloy....some info like relation of magnetism with heat..or it's graphs or anything else...it converts heat into ele. energy....in this process,what it will waste??...can someone suggest??
6th December, 2013 @ 9:39 p.m. (California Time)
ahh CO2 is what makes the earth green so actually anything that generates CO2 is the greenest power source ...
oh and from the paper: "Theory predicts that under optimal conditions the performance compares favorably with the best thermoelectrics."
so this matches thermoelectrics ... not exactly earth shattering ... optimal conditions means the lab as compared to real world theromoelectrics ...
cool research ... may actually be useful someday ... give it a decade ...
7th December, 2014 @ 10:08 p.m. (California Time)